Old yin and old yang

topic posted Thu, January 19, 2006 - 6:18 PM by  Nightwind
I am not understanding these.

"An old yin turns into a normal yang. And old yang turns into a normail yin"

Does this mean that they are the opposite, or almost the opposite?

Why is this?
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Nightwind
Maryland
  • Re: Old yin and old yang

    Sun, January 22, 2006 - 6:43 PM
    according to what I have learned...

    "Nature is actually one energy, yin and yang are phases of this energy expressed through the self-generating process of life. The main, constructive, creative, positive energy is Strong/Pure Yang. Before developing into strong yang, the energy that presses forward is expressed as young/lesser yang. This energy is conceptualized as 'second strong' energy. when strong yang over extends itself, it creates dominating/Strong/Pure Yin energy. This occurs when yang energy seeks self-adjustment in response to opposition or resistance. it is a way of self-accomplishing. Young/Lesser Yin is a transition created by the movement of yang energy before it grows from weak to strong, less to full."

    [The Book of Changes and The Unchanging Truth _ Hua-Ching Ni, pgs. 26, 27]

    The yin/yang symbol is a graphic representation of this "energy cycle". The lesser yang and yin are represented by the small circles, and are given birth to by strong yin and yang overextending themselves. The interaction can be seen as opposition, but in my opinion "resistance" is a more accurate term. When we seek to balance our lives we need to remember that balance is not a 50/50 thing, it is achieving an equilibrium between our internal and external energies. Placing individuals on the opposite sides of a seesaw to create a balance may entail putting three people on one side and four on the other to obtain an equal resistance/equilibrium. It is identifying the areas of "stress" or "changing lines" that show us how we need to redistribute the weight/people/energies [even if there are no changing lines the nuclear trigrams and resultant Hu Gua will still identify the possibilities of transformation].

    So... my experience is that these seemingly different energies are, in essence, different modalities/modes/operations/functions of the same energy and it's never-ending, creative transformation. Hmmmm... like the inhalation and exhalation of our breath... one is it's contraction and one it's expansion, both the source of our "animating" spirit.

    I hope I have been helpful.
    • Re: Old yin and old yang

      Sun, January 22, 2006 - 11:25 PM
      Not really. If I get a moving line, what is it then? How am I supposed to know?
      • Re: Old yin and old yang

        Mon, January 23, 2006 - 6:31 AM
        When we "divine" the I Ching basically gives us a snapshot of our mind's vibration and the situation in question, this is represented by the hexagram received. It is a tool, nothing more, nothing less. U are the diviner, the I Ching is your instrument, so in essence U are asking yourself the question, the I Ching is interpreting because we tend to be "out of touch" with our "divine BEing", it is helping us to develop our higher BEing and divine knowldege, wisdom, and understanding.

        The moving lines are clear... they are either yang becoming yin or yin becoming yang. strong yang becomes young yin and strong yin becomes young yang. look at this in relation to the trigram the changing line is in because each trigram also represents strong yang, middle yang, and lesser yang, as well as strong, middle, and young yin.

        What does it mean? What are you supposed to do? That depends on your relationship with the I Ching and the energies it is representing to U. The I Ching does not give subjective answers. It identifies your state of mind and the energies surrounding U at the moment of inquiry. It is possible to ask a question and receive a hexagram that has nothing to do with the question U asked, but everything to do with your state of mind when asking the question. Readings can bcome very complex or very simple depending upon how closely we hav developed our understanding of... and relationship with natural energies. Thats why the ancients made correlations between these energies and nature. They manifest themselves in and around us daily. The I Ching says, "Pay Attention". It does not tell us how to respond... it shows us what we're working with, so we can CHOOSE how to respond.

        When I was younger my father used to give me sage advice all of the time, but because we did not always have the best relationship I would often ignore his advice. It is the same with the I Ching... our relationship with it will determine our response to it, that's why we need to cultivate a proper relationship with it. It is possible for three individuals to ask the same question, at the same time... receive the same hexagram, with the same changing lines... and mean something entirely different for each of them because each person brings a unique combination of energies to the table.

        Bottomline... the I Ching shows us the answers that are already within us, the practice of divination is the art of "getting to know ourselves".

        Now... look at your hexagram again. What does it mean to U? If the answer is not clear then... clear your mind and... look again.
        • Re: Old yin and old yang

          Mon, March 13, 2006 - 8:24 PM


          To Olus: Your reply makes no sense to me at all. The I Ching is without a doubt, and from everyone I have spoken to agrees, the most slippery, mysterious and enigmatic oracle there is. If one does a coin casting and the I Ching is answering on something that has nothing to do with the questioin I ask, then because of the 'vaugary of the oracle' I would mentally force it to fit my question or just flaunder in confused mire, every time I did a cast. To have an oracle of such fickleness and Vaguary on top of it would make I Ching utterly worthless to me.... especially with all the conflicting 'book versions' available and in disagreement.
          I could accept that kind of 'divergence' of the question from the Tarot, but from the I Ching is wholly unfathomable.

          Victor
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          • Re: Old yin and old yang

            Tue, March 14, 2006 - 10:15 AM
            when the i ching doesnt fit a question, it is best to wait. i have noticed that within a week or two something will shift or something will happen and suddenly the confusing hexgram comes to mind with a great big bright lightbulb.
          • Re: Old yin and old yang

            Wed, March 15, 2006 - 11:04 AM
            Victor... if after receiving a hexagram you know it has nothing to do with the question asked, then I see no reason for you to be casting... you already know the answer.
            Just because you cannot see the relationship between your question and the I Ching's answer does not mean it isn't there. Again... the clarity of the answer is often dependent upon our relationship with the I Ching, as well as our understanding of ourselves and the question at hand.
            However... your understanding is yours, it is what you bring to the table. My understanding is mine, what I bring to the table. Both of us are free to either partake or leave alone.
            I, personally, have never received "vague" answers. There are times when I am not clear about what the I Ching has stated, at those times I step back and mediatate on the answer... understanding that the lack of clarity is not the I Ching it is my intelligence.
            I trust the I Ching a lot more than my ability to think and reason, if not, I wouldn't consult it I would just go with what I think. Thats why I don't assume the I Ching is being vague just because I do not see how the answer fits my inquiry. I take all of its advice in hand and then see how it relates to me and my situation.
            • Re: Old yin and old yang

              Wed, March 15, 2006 - 11:16 AM
              In the interest of clarity let me rephrase... "I trust the I Ching more than I trust my intellect." It is my "intelligence" the I Ching appeals to, sometimes successfully, sometimes... not. Ha HaHa Ha
              I actually think our understandings are not that different in nature, just in words.
      • Re: Old yin and old yang

        Mon, March 13, 2006 - 8:38 PM
        TO nightwing:

        The way I understand it is like this. first you cast the coins, calculate the hexagram. With that 'pattern' you will have either all static lines or perhaps a moving line or a few. Doubtfully all being moving.
        This first hexagram is your PRIMARY hexagram. It discribes your current state of situation or the question at hand.
        Next the moving lines are to be 'read' for more insight into the current state of things.

        Third you take the PRIMARY hexagram and use the changing lines to move over into their opposites. Old yin, to static Yang; Old Yang to static Yin.
        This provides a SECONDARY hexagram. You may have people give you different opinions and to what a SECONDARY hexagram is revealling or advising. I am still learning. I would say to view it as you would if you had a problem and went to two very wise friend sages. Each of them gave you very wise, yet very differnent advice.
        The PRIMARY hexagram would represent the advice of the first sage friend, the SECONDARY would represent the advice of the second sage friend.
        - -- - -
        Now to continue, fourthly you would return to the PRIMARY hexagram and look at not the moving or staticness of the lines but only at the Yang or Yin, and from these use the direction s in the BOOK three of The I Ching to construct your NUCLEAR hexagram.
        This hexagram reveals not the wisdom that a sage would give, but the wisdom that a seer would give, for it reveals the 'hidden potential' that innately exists within your situation, question or issue.

        Approach your coin toss with this and you will leave each toss not with one piece of advice but with from anywhere from two pieces to four or five that will equip you wth a strategy to tackle your nemesis with perseverence and sublty.

        Victor
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